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full list of Fixed fine /Demerit (penalty point) Offences

Roy December 6th, 2012

8 demerits = 3 month suspension, demerits remain on licence for 3 years

Offence 1: 1 demerit, doubled on conviction

A licence holder who fails to give information required to a licensing authority under licence regulations or gives information knowing it to be false or misleading commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a class C fine.

Offence 2 : 2 demerits, doubled on conviction

A person who operates or rents a vehicle contrary to restrictions contained in licensing regulations commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a class A fine.

Offence 3 : 2 demerits, doubled on conviction

Failure to comply with:
For the purposes of the licensing authority assessing the physical or mental capacity of a person to hold a licence to drive a small public service vehicle, the applicant for or the holder of such a licence shall disclose to the licensing authority any illness or physical incapacity he or she may have that could affect the person’s ability to safely drive a small public service vehicle. The licensing authority may require further information (including medical assessment) from the applicant or holder in this regard.

Offence 4 : 1 demerit, doubled on conviction

A person who in an application for the grant of a licence gives information or documentation knowing it to be false or misleading commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a class C fine.

Offence 5: 1 demerit, doubled on conviction

Failure to comply with subsection (3) below is an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a class E fine

(subsection 3)
Where the holder of a licence—
(a) being an individual, changes the address of his or her primary place of residence
(b) being a company, changes the address of its registered office

Offence 6 : 1 demerit doubled on conviction for a miner breach, 2 demerits for a substantial breach, doubled on conviction

A person who fails to comply with or contravenes a regulation under this section commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction—
(a) where the contravention is declared  to be a substantial breach, to a class A fine
(b) in the case of any other contravention, to a class C fine.

List:
1-Exceeding the maximum number of passengers permitted to be carried in the vehicle
2-Poor identification, including the internal or external signage, markings or colour of the vehicle
3-The display and use of identification,signs, symbols, lights, information or messages on or in the vehicle or the licence plate of the vehicle
4-Restricting or prohibiting the use of the vehicle as a small public service vehicle if it is not in a satisfactory condition having regard to standards regarding its condition
5- Breaching the regulation of the hiring of the vehicle (including the commencement of the hiring and the issue of receipts for fares and the recording of fares)
6 Failure to meet the the requirement to fit specified equipment in the vehicle, including taximeters and machines to issue receipts, to facilitate a hire
7-Improper operation of any equipment required to be fitted in the vehicle for the purpose of facilitating a hire, including the use of taximeters, machines for issuing receipts and other apparatus
8- Non display of information that is required to be displayed, and the manner of such display
9- Improper fitting or non-fitting of equipment in the vehicle and the operation of such equipment
10 – Improper identification of drivers, including badges or any other means that may be specified, and the display of such on the driver of, or in the vehicle, or both, of information relating to the licence to drive a small public service vehicle, in respect of the category being driven, held by the driver
11- Proper of the areas or locations where the drivers of small public service vehicles may carry on activities of operating small public service vehicles
12- Breach of the regulation of the period of time that a driver may drive the vehicle and requirements for intervals of rest between commencing driving the vehicle and having finished driving another vehicle in the course of other employment
13- Restricting or prohibiting driving the vehicle for hire or reward in specified circumstances
14- Vehicle being used to display inappropriate advertising, slogans or images
15- Carriage of dangerous goods or articles in the vehicle
16- Breach of the the regulation regarding the carriage of animals or goods in the vehicle
17 – Failure in the keeping of records in relation to the operation of the vehicle as a small public service vehicle
18- improper size of the vehicle, including the passenger-carrying and luggage-carrying capacity of the vehicle
19 – Incorrect type and age of a vehicle which may be used as a small public service vehicle
20 – Breach of the standards relating to any equipment carried in the vehicle
21 – incorrect seating and accommodation capacity of the vehicle
22 – Incorrect luggage capacity of the vehicle
23 – Improper access to and from the vehicle
24 – Improper tyre, wheel, seatbelt and window standards.
25 – Specified fittings on the vehicle (such as tinted windows and bull-bars)
26- General condition of the vehicle (including standards regarding its appearance and cleanliness
27- Standards to be complied with in relation to the entry to and accommodation in a small
public service vehicle for people with a disability, including wheelchair users or persons with mobility or sensory difficulties
28- notification to the Authority by the holder of a licence to drive a small public service vehicle of the identity as required in the regulations of any small public service vehicle to be driven by him or her
29 – Illegally dispatching
30- Breach of The standards to be complied with by persons who control the operation of small public service vehicle
31- Breach of the regulation of the operation, rental, possession or control of a small public service vehicle by a person who is not the holder of the licence issued in respect of the vehicle
32- Breach of the regulation of the standards to be complied with in relation to any permitted advertising in or on a small public service vehicle by the licence holder of the vehicle
33- Breach of the regulation of the standards of conduct, general behaviour, deportment and dress for drivers of small public service vehicles
34- Poor treatment of and conduct towards passengers or intending passengers
35- Non acceptance of a hire
36 – Incorrect determination of and adherence to the shortest route available between the commencement and completion of a hire
37 – Non compliance with the stated requirements of the person who has hired the vehicle, where such requirements are reasonable
38 – Failure to meet requirement regarding the recording of fares prior to the commencement of a hire
39 – Failure to offer receipts in respect of a fare
40 – failure to facilitate of the needs of any person with mobility, sensory or other difficulties in the provision and reception of a hire

Offence 7, 2 demerits, 5 on conviction

(a) A person shall not drive or use a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place for the carriage of persons for reward unless the person holds a licence to drive a small public service vehicle that
authorises him or her to so drive or use the vehicle
(b) A person shall not ply or stand for hire with a mechanically propelled vehicle which he or she is driving or in charge of in a public place unless the person holds a licence to drive a small public service
vehicle that authorises him or her to so ply or stand for hire with the vehicle.
(c) A person shall not drive or use a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place for the carriage of persons for reward unless to so drive or use the vehicle is authorised by a small public service vehicle licence.
(d) A person shall not ply or stand for hire with a mechanically propelled vehicle which he or she is driving or in charge of in a public place unless to so ply or stand for hire with the vehicle is authorised by a small public service vehicle licence

Offence 8, 1 demerit, doubled on conviction

(A) The driver of a small public service vehicle in respect of which a fare has been agreed in advance of the commencement of the hire, who charges or seeks to charge a fare that is greater than the agreed fare commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a class C fine
(B) The driver of a taxi who is plying or engaged for hire or standing for hire at an appointed stand, whether or not the taxi is standing for hire at the head of the stand, shall not refuse to carry a person as a passenger in the taxi, save where refusal is allowed:

(a) to do so would exceed the number of persons permitted 25
to be carried in the taxi under the licence in respect of
that vehicle,
(b)  the person’s proposed journey is more than 30 kilometres
in distance (or such other distance as stands specified in
regulations made by the Authority) from the commence- 30
ment of the journey,
(c) there are adverse weather or road conditions or traffic
controls affecting the journey or route such as to render
the journey unsafe or impractical,
(d) luggage or other articles in the person’s possession to be 35
carried in the vehicle are in excess of the luggage carrying
capacity of, or could cause damage to, the taxi, or
(e) the passenger or intending passenger—
(i) appears or acts in an aggressive, intoxicated, drunk or
disorderly manner, or the driver has reason to 40
believe, will act as such, or
(ii) is dishevelled to such a degree that in the driver’s
opinion carriage of such person would affect the
sanitation or cleanliness of the taxi.

(C) – The driver of a taxi when hired for a journey, shall not complete the journey other than by taking the shortest available route, where practicable, unless otherwise requested by the passenger.

Offence 9 – 1 demerit, 3 on conviction

The driver of a taxi who charges or attempts to charge a fare
for a hire that is greater than the maximum fare that may be calculated in accordance with a maximum fares order commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a class B fine

Offence 10, 1 demerit, 3 on conviction

a –  The driver of a taxi shall not stand for hire with the taxi otherthan at an appointed stand in an area in which it is licensed under to so stand.
b –  A person shall not stand or attempt to stand at an appointed stand with a taxi where the maximum number of taxis are standing or in contravention of any byelaw

Offence 11 – 1 demerit, 3 on conviction

The driver of a taxi, where an appointed stand is full, shall not stand with the taxi on part of the public road adjoining or in the proximity of the stand

Offence 12 – 2 demerit, 5 on conviction

A person shall not use or display on a vehicle or any sign or advertisement attached to the vehicle or shall not use any document or advertisement in respect of the provision of small public service the words “taxi” or “tacsaí” or any word which is a variant derivative or translation of or is analogous to those words, unless the vehicle is licensed as a taxi

Offence 13, 2 demerit, 5 on conviction

A person who fails to notify the licensing authority in accordance with this section or who provides information knowing it to be false or misleading commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a class A fine

Offence 14 – 1 demerit 2 on conviction

Breach of the regulation that following the endorsement, stand so endorsed and, if that number equals or exceeds 8, specifying that the person will be disqualified under section 34 for holding a licence for a period of 3 months beginning on the appropriate date and directing the person to submit the licence held by him or her to the licensing authority that granted the licence not later than 14 days from that date.

Offence 15 – 2 demerit 4 on conviction

Obstructs or impedes an authorised person exercising a function of an authorised person

(a) fails to comply with a requirement of an authorised person
(b) gives information to an authorised person which he or she knows to be false or misleading

Offence 16 – 2 demerit 4 on conviction

The holder of a small public service vehicle licence who fails to comply with the requirements of regulations and who allows a passenger to be carried for reward in his or her small public service vehicle in without adequate insurance commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to a class A fine


81 Responses to “full list of Fixed fine /Demerit (penalty point) Offences”

  1. Benon 06 Dec 2012 at 6:59 pm

    all sounds lovely, but who will enforce it. answer is no one. a total waste of time.

  2. flybyniteon 06 Dec 2012 at 7:33 pm

    That is exactly the point, Ben. The authorities prefer to post cops with a hairdryer hidden behind a bus shelter on a dual carriageway with a ridiculously low speed limit.

  3. Benon 06 Dec 2012 at 7:37 pm

    thats serious crime-fighting !!

  4. Royon 06 Dec 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Fixed fines, combined with penalty points (at least doubled on conviction) will see a big change in attitude from enforcers, the promise of double points will put a lot of drivers off court cases, with little fear of clogging up the courts or facing a judge, the enforcers/Gardai will be empowered to act, where before they spoke.

  5. Francon 07 Dec 2012 at 12:11 am

    I’ve been reliably informed that if the fine is paid straight away the TRD get it ,if it goes to court only their counsel get fees…if the judge sees fit.

    I’d go along with the court route, the more so called enforcers in court ,the less on the street,there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

    Even then I’d still not pay the fine, preferring a u-turn in the car park of Mountjoy prison.

  6. flybyniteon 07 Dec 2012 at 2:52 am

    Roy,
    Often you seem to put yourself forward as spokesperson in favour of whatever our daft authorities are dreaming up.
    Many of these proposals sound fine but do not work, a. because the serious offences are too often ignored and b. because a lot of time is spent pursuing offences that are selectively targeted because they offer a quick and easy buck.
    How often do you see drivers with a mobile clutched to their ear ? I cannot count them, but it runs in the hundreds a day. And I have had a number of narrow escapes with drivers not looking where they are going. E.g. driving (in the bus lane) on a dual carriageway a woman pulls out of a petrol station without looking, totally immersed in her phone conversation. I have hand on horn, have to slam on my brakes because there was traffic in the lane beside me. I get a gesture that looks suspiciously like a “finger” and she barges her way into the traffic, still with phone to ear. On another occasion I drive past a T-junction. A large artic from the right indicates a left turn. I can see the driver holding a mobile. Next he seems to be so engrossed in his conversation that he takes the turn far too wide and nearly rams me broadside. Again I had no room to manoeuvre, the only thing left was to hold the horn. My right window was filled with the front of the truck, I could no longer see the windscreen, he was THAT close ! At the last moment I see the truck moving sharply to the left, I believe he must have missed me by no more than an inch ! And the best one: Waiting at the lights at Westmoreland Street I see a car, again a female driver, coming down the WRONG WAY across O’Connell Bridge (from the North side) and taking a right turn onto the quays. She very nearly ran a few pedestrians down. One tried to block her, she just reversed and pulled around him (giving the shocked pedestrians the finger). I got her reg. A copper was standing nearby and the upset near-victims wanted him to act. I pulled in, expecting having to give evidence but the standard reply was that “he had not seen the incident and in the matter of traffic offences the gardai cannot act on information from the general public”.
    Roy, this is the attitude and it is getting worse because there are less and less gardai. 100 garda stations are going to be closed. Disillusioned gardai are leaving the force and are not replaced. And in the news recently: gangs from Limerick roam the countryside, commit many burglaries and the gardai are unable to catch them because they use super-fast vehicles that can easily outrun the lone Fiesta that the gardai have to patrol half a county. So Roy stop pontificating. The cops will come down like two tons of bricks on those who commit lesser (but lucrative from a money collecting point of view) offences but are going to be increasingly powerless to stop the real lawbreakers.
    And I am not speaking about the investigation into penalty points removed from the records of the toffs !

  7. flybyniteon 07 Dec 2012 at 3:00 am

    P.S. a wasted night half the city centre blocked because some poor sod was killed under a bus. I believe there is an investigation because he may have been pushed under the bus.
    A prime example of law and order starting to break down if that is true.

  8. Martinon 07 Dec 2012 at 10:00 am

    RIP at that poor chap on Dawson St,I thought the traffic Jam was over the Clinton vist.Very sad to hear this over the festive period and the poor bus driver is in mega shock and witnesses .

  9. bohemian boyon 07 Dec 2012 at 6:22 pm

    i asked this TWICE already and no response , ill try yis again , does anyone know under what section of the new bill it talks about double jobbers getting a form signed, rental requirements, working time directive ?

  10. bohemian boyon 07 Dec 2012 at 6:59 pm

    i see where it says in the new list of penalty points , that you can only ply for hire from an offical taxi rank, or stand . does this mean we can get kellys thugs out of clontarf castle,end all the other hotels they, and others ply from ?

  11. Royon 07 Dec 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Here’s some of the regulations covering your query

    Section 7 (2):

    Regulations under this section may in particular and without
    prejudice to the generality of subsection (1) provide for all or any of
    the following:
    restrictions regarding the rental of the vehicle or any
    equipment associated with it

    Section 17 (g)
    The Authority may make regulations, to be known in this
    Act as small public service vehicle regulations (“SPSV regulations”) 40
    in relation to the following:

    The regulation of the operation, rental, possession or control of a small public service vehicle by a person who is
    not the holder of the licence issued in respect of the
    vehicle;
    The Authority may make regulations, to be known in this
    Act as small public service vehicle regulations (“SPSV regulations”) 40
    in relation to the following

    Section 17 (a) (xii)

    the regulation of the period of time that a driver may
    drive the vehicle and requirements for intervals of
    rest between commencing driving the vehicle and
    having finished driving another vehicle in the course
    of other employment;

  12. bohemian boyon 08 Dec 2012 at 5:48 am

    roy there is not a word about them having to get a form signed by their employers , they must have scrapped that one, and the taking of rest periods is unrealistic . how could you possibly police that ?

  13. Benon 08 Dec 2012 at 7:38 am

    Boh its all a joke,nothing will change. The illegal scum, and part time scabs will continue as normal. I bet the forgers are busy preparing the new decals for their customers.

  14. bohemian boyon 08 Dec 2012 at 10:50 am

    ben my point is that, when the 46 actions were first drawn up it clearly stated in [action 3 i think ] that there would be a requirement on anyone with other employment to get a form signed by their employer acknowledging that their employees position was compatable with also working in the spsv industry. this appears to have been removed, because i have gone over the bill, and can now find no such requirement . now its possible i missed it, but i dont think so

  15. Benon 08 Dec 2012 at 11:30 am

    Boh i can remember that point about a form signed by employer, and it would wipe out a lot of part timers, if it was enforced. Maybe Kelly changed his mind.

  16. bohemian boyon 08 Dec 2012 at 1:03 pm

    it looks like he did change his mind ben,an post would not have signed, the army would not have signed, dublin bus would not have signed,because it breeches the terms, and conditions of their employment . this maybe would have taken a lot of them out . the bill, as far as i can see is dramaticaly different in its present form , to what was proposed . it seems it has been watered down somewhat . im surprised that nobody on here appears to think that its important that the form signing is missing from the original document

  17. bohemian boyon 08 Dec 2012 at 1:19 pm

    ben i have, just this minute sent off an email to the minister asking him to please explain why there is no mention, of this requirement, or indeed the working time act in the new bill, i have drawn his attention to action 3 . i await his reply

  18. Benon 08 Dec 2012 at 2:00 pm

    Boh i bet some legal issue came to light here,and Kelly had to re-think that proposal.

  19. bohemian boyon 08 Dec 2012 at 2:12 pm

    probably so ben,im STILL very surprised that nobody on here seems to think its all that important though

  20. john mon 08 Dec 2012 at 2:28 pm

    ben my point is that, when the 46 actions were first drawn up it clearly stated in [action 3 i think ] that there would be a requirement on anyone with other employment to get a form signed by their employer acknowledging that their employees position was compatable with also working in the spsv industry. this appears to have been removed, because i have gone over the bill, and can now find no such requirement . now its possible i missed it, but i dont think so

    I posted in the forum .That this was open to challenge legally .An employer has no legal right to decide what his employee can or cannot do outside of his employment .If an employer was to agree that his employee was Ok to work outside of his employment this would open up a possibility of that employer being a co litigant in any legal claim against his employee in his taxi job .I would suggest the following .If your main job involves driving then you must inform your employer that you also drive a taxi .There is a european working time directive in place for drivers who are employed as drivers .

  21. john mon 08 Dec 2012 at 2:34 pm

    12- Breach of the regulation of the period of time that a driver may drive the vehicle and requirements for intervals of rest between commencing driving the vehicle and having finished driving another vehicle in the course of other employment.

    As I said the requirement to inform your employer might only apply to those who drive professionally .

  22. Benon 08 Dec 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Probably people who drive on tachos,but it should apply to all.

  23. Francon 08 Dec 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Are you all enjoying the ball of wool the NTA gave you to play with ?

  24. bohemian boyon 08 Dec 2012 at 9:40 pm

    john the wording of action 3,along with the other actions, was drawn up by the minister and his steering group, assisted by the athorny general ,at that time . if you remember there was a delay in the publication of the proposals whilst the advice of the a g was sought . with respect to you i do not believe the a g got it wrong when he advised that action 3 could be implemented in its proposed form . i also believe employers DO actually have a right to impose conditions of employment that would prevent employees engaging in other employment . in fact i had such conditions imposed on me while in the employment of eircom

  25. flybyniteon 09 Dec 2012 at 1:55 am

    A few reasons why Kelly is keeping stumm about employers signing anything: the employers will not sign anything because DB and CIE drivers are heavily unionised and will call a strike at the drop of a hat. This kind of action has never worked for us but the bus drivers have real power, Kelly has no real power when it comes to it. The drivers have always gotten their way if they strike or even threaten strike action. DB and CIE are exempt from tachos, so it would be unenforceable. I have to admit to be in favour of tachos in taxis, but as Martin pointed out it would be a heavy expense for us. And if DB and CIE / Bus Eireann remain exempt it would make a mockery of the whole thing. On the other hand I still see it as a potential real weapon against especially double jobbers but also against illegals. Provided of course that it goes hand in hand with proper enforcement and that would be too ideal a world.

  26. Benon 09 Dec 2012 at 12:07 pm

    What about health and safety legislation. Is it safe for some driver to get behind the wheel of a dublin city bus, or an expressway service,with only 2 or 3 hours sleep. This is scarey thought. Will Kelly be happy to wait until their is a major accident, with multiple fatalities. He is a typical Irish politician, take action when its too late, as always.

  27. bohemian boyon 09 Dec 2012 at 1:06 pm

    fly/ben over the last few months, i have had ongoing email contact with senior management in db regarding an individual in one such garage who double jobs our industry. on foot of my complaint to them, they claim to have carried out an internal investigation which they claim they take the whole double jobbing situation very seriously .they asigned this complaint to a senior manager who told me verbally that they followed this person for a totally of three weeks, and their conclusions is that, he has NOT breeched the working time act, but asked me if i have supporting evidence to the contrary , to please contact them with it , and they will take appropriate action against this driver. my conclusion is ? what a load of bullshit . either they did NOT investigate yer man , or else he was tipped off not to exceed the working time directive by working any more then the 8 hours he had left . if any of yis want to see the emails just sent me your email address . btw i had this phone call from them within 3 hours when i threatened to go to the primtime programme makers

  28. flybyniteon 09 Dec 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Ben,
    The whole safety aspect has been studiously ignored as we all know.
    I am sure we all have heard stories about bus drivers who get out from behind the wheel of the (Dublin) bus, hop in their taxi (if they still are not too tired to “hop”), do a long shift and get back driving the bus after an very short period, not long enough to even call it a “break”.
    I have even been told (by another bus driver) about one who used to work nearly 20 hours a day between DB and taxi (yes, nearly twenty !!), was found out and suspended for a few months – ON FULL PAY of course – and after that reinstated. He probably did 20 hours a day in the taxi during that time. Unless there is a proper investigation with the readings of his taxi meter pulled and compared with his duty sheets from the bus company there is no way of proving anything. With the unions having the power to block proper investigations and total lack of enforcement there is not a hope that this kind of blatant abuse will ever stop. The Corpo has a long history of caving in to the unions at their first “booh”. And I am now going back to the days I still remember from my childhood days, when the driver sat isolated beside the engine and a conductor went around the bus with a ticket machine hanging from a belt. He often would “forget” to issue a ticket unless you asked for one. Meaning: in those days CIE conductors could make a nice little earner out of money collected but not registered through the machine. This was well known but again, the Corpo and CIE did not have the guts to do anything. It has resulted in another scam: Now you pay at the entrance. If you do not have the EXACT fare you do not get change but a little ticket that can only be exchanged in O’Connell Street. The most logical solution, to allow them to be used as credit against another bus fare, was too simple. Dublin Bus must be RAKING IT IN through never claimed bus credits. Maybe the “Leap ticket” will help, necessitated by the previously daft situation that the public could not use the same ticket in bus or Luas – like everywhere else. I am now talking nearly 15 years back from my trucking days. We used to do long routes across Europe. On one particular one we had a long stop-over in a vast industrial and business area called Feria the Madrid. In many countries trucks need a special permit to operate on Sundays so we would arrive in the wee hours of Saturday morning, get loaded Sunday night and be off again early Monday morning. Saturday night we would go into the city. A truly spectacularly efficient subway system and CHEAP. One fare for all, as long as you did not surface. And the same ticket (If I remember well, we bought a booklet of 10 for 10 or 15 Euro) could be used on the bus as well. Here in Dublin we get fleeced. The Luas stop is 5 minutes’ walk from my home but goes only to Connelly Station or the O2 or the other direction to Tallaght or Saggart. There still is no connection between the lines. Before that we will be faced with another huge disruption, right at a time when business needs a break if the economy will ever have a chance to recover. But the same breed of politicians who failed to plan properly are also in charge of enforcement.
    So Ben, I am afraid it will have to come to a major event like you said, before any of the sleazeballs in government will wake up and be compelled to take action.
    Dublin is now heralded as having the safest traffic of all major cities in Europe. How do they measure that ? If they take the total annual number of fatalities as e.g. in London, Berlin or Paris then Dublin would be UNSAFE because these cities are far, far bigger and have far more cars on the road. So how do they measure it ? One way of course we have been able to observe for ourselves during the past days: Just make it impossible for traffic to move. That sad incident at the corner of Dawson Street plus Hillery Clinton and many delegates moving through town was an excuse for the “powers” to block off sections of the inner city and near-total gridlock was the result. Cars that do not move do not collide. So I just wonder: where, from which source, do they get the data and what exactly do they include ? Fatalities and serious injuries only ? Fender benders ? When I see the behaviour of some motorists I cannot help thinking that the statistics have been rigged.
    So Ben, do not hold out much hope. As long as our authorities can sit on their fat a..ses and proclaim Dublin “the safest” nothing will be done. The motto is: “Don’t rock the boat” – at least not until they can retire on their only very slightly reduced and still obscenely high pensions.

  29. Benon 09 Dec 2012 at 1:22 pm

    How do we go over Kellys head in this matter. Its obvious that he does not intend to tackle dangerous double jobbing. Maybe i am nuts, but is this a matter for Europe. What about an MEP.

  30. flybyniteon 09 Dec 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Bus drivers, drivers of An Post vans, Gardai, prison officers, there are many in such full-time professions who double as taxi drivers in their “free time”.
    Boh: The reaction you got is typical. DB management do not really want to know, they run scared of the unions. And do not want to get involved. How can they expect the public (or taxi drivers) to act as evidence gatherers for them ? Only just so they can claim they have “looked into the matter and no evidence was found”.
    Bus companies do not have the power to pull the records from a taxi meter, but that would have given all the answers they need if they just compare the readings with their own job sheets.
    Provided, of course, that the drivers own the taxi or, if they rent, that the MPO’s keep proper records.
    See Boh? It all comes down to PROPER ENFORCEMENT and that is still sorely lacking!

  31. Benon 09 Dec 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Its up to Kelly to sort this matter, thats what he gets the big salary for. So far, he has failed miserably to make any impression.

  32. bohemian boyon 09 Dec 2012 at 2:25 pm

    what about a group of us getting together , and placing pickits outside outside db headqurters , insisting they address the situation , and then outside ictu headqurters insisting they start to take seriously their OWN policy of one man one job . this is a fundemantal trade union policy , so i suggest we ask them to treat it as such

  33. Benon 09 Dec 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Boh thats a good idea,make then take note.

  34. bohemian boyon 25 Dec 2012 at 4:31 pm

    under the new demerits rules, i wonder wht happens if you fail to declare [say] diabetes for instence how would they find out, and even if you do declare it whats the likely outcome ?

  35. Benon 25 Dec 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Boh some types of diabetes are ok if you take your insulin and monitor blood sugar levels. Mate of mine has it, and drives his cab no prob. Has it declared to his insurance company. If you dont declare it, and have an accident as a result, you are in serious grief.

  36. Vat manon 30 Dec 2012 at 10:56 am

    The penalty point system is a good thing. To many taxi drivers going around no roll in receipt machine no safety kits or accessories in the boot parking plying for hire in illegal ranks. I for one welcome the new penalty point system taxi drivers out there have had to good for to long. I even heard of some multiple plate owners only having 2 safety kits and accessories as per 20 taxis. No doubt these matters will be investigated

  37. sclasson 30 Dec 2012 at 11:45 am

    And why are taxi drivers going around with no receipt rolls in there machine and no safety kits in the cars.its because no one gives a fukk it going on for a long time now. No enforcement at all. My hair is the penalty points system is a way for there national transport authority make big money from our hard earned. How fair will it be there is no appeals system in place.why did they let it come to the state it’s in how Many times have you been told it would be sorted when we get stickers on our window sticker on your roof sign . sticker on your door the biggest taxi sign In the world and a reg plate.So you think penalty points is going to sort it why am I not convinced.

  38. Benon 30 Dec 2012 at 1:09 pm

    vat man who will investigate these matters you describe. sorry to tell you that you are dreaming.

  39. Vat manon 30 Dec 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Enforcement officers will investigate. Of course when there is a check point a lot of taxi drivers hide or go home to avoid the check points. There was a big clamp down on taxis drivers with enforcement officers and Dept of Social Protection and you’d be surprised how many taxi drivers were caught out. If some taxi drivers think they can not follow the rules they might as well pack up now and leave the industry because they are the ones who are dreaming if they think they are not going to be caught out sooner or later. I also disagree that it’s a money making exercise for the regulator. It’s easy follow the rules no fine no points

  40. Benon 30 Dec 2012 at 5:13 pm

    and how many enforcement officers are there to cover the 26 counties

  41. Vat manon 30 Dec 2012 at 6:28 pm

    How many taxi drivers are passing on information to the NTA about non compliant taxi drivers. How many non compliant taxi drivers have been brought before the courts or have have been issued with fines? The days of the Cow Boy operators are near an end

  42. Benon 30 Dec 2012 at 9:29 pm

    are you suggesting that we do the work of the enforcement officers, and the gardai

  43. Vat manon 31 Dec 2012 at 1:43 am

    I can’t suggest anything but it would be up to every individual if they would wish to report a taxi driver or a multiple plate owner who they feel may not be compliant with the NTA rules & regulations. I am sure you would agree that taxi drivers or multiple plate owners who don’t comply with rules & regulations are better off leaving the taxi industry. As I have stated previously information has been passed on to the NTA with reference to non compliant taxi drivers by other taxi drivers who are compliant on a weekly basis. Most of the the taxi drivers do comply with the NTA rules & regulations but you will always have the few bad apples

  44. bohemian boyon 31 Dec 2012 at 7:21 pm

    i have to agree with sclass . before we continue to say it wont work, lets wait and see. nobody knows what the new rules will bring, and i also believe it is up to every compliant driver to report any rogue he knows of . these bastards are stealing YOUR livlihood after all,and deserve anything that they get . btw when does the penalty system come in to play anyone know?

  45. Vat manon 31 Dec 2012 at 8:37 pm

    I believe the penalty point system is in from January. I’m sure non compliant taxi drivers may get there act together now

  46. Benon 31 Dec 2012 at 9:49 pm

    dont think this new penalty points system is signed into law yet, Kelly drags his heels a lot. Also agree with reporting illegal scum, and getting them off the road. Just wish there was more enforcement officers in place.

  47. sclasson 01 Jan 2013 at 12:24 pm

    If most of the taxi drivers comply by the rules.what do you think most would be 70% 90%
    Also at the moment driving a taxi part time is not illegal.
    The N.T.A.will tell you they do not have an adequate number of infocement. The will is not there to clean it up. The government has discovered that
    There is to much legal stuff involved they just cannot cope.
    I believe it will take a long time and a lot of commitment by the government before the taxi industry is cleaned up

  48. Vat manon 01 Jan 2013 at 2:16 pm

    It will never be illegal to drive a taxi part time the government could never bring in a law to stop anyone with a PSV licence from working part time in the taxi industry. Part timers with other full time employment will only have to inform there employer that they are also working part time in the taxi industry and they will be liable for additional PAYE & PRSI contributions

  49. Benon 01 Jan 2013 at 4:34 pm

    taxman is one sure way to hurt them, are they declaring taxi earnings

  50. Vat manon 01 Jan 2013 at 4:56 pm

    One might say full time taxi drivers and multiple plate owners are not declaring there proper earnings. Revenue needs to do more to tackle this problem

  51. Vat manon 04 Jan 2013 at 5:24 pm

    How much does a full time taxi driver make annually in gross earnings?

  52. Benon 04 Jan 2013 at 5:28 pm

    stupid question

  53. Vat manon 04 Jan 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Well would you agree with the fact Ben that taxi drivers are not declaring there true earnings.

  54. Vat manon 04 Jan 2013 at 5:47 pm

    On previous posts Ben you have suggested it would be good to clean up the taxi industry and I agree with you. But wouldn’t it be much better for the taxi industry if the taxi drivers & multiple owners declared there true earnings.How many self employed taxi drivers would stay in the industry if they were forced to declare there true earnings. That’s the one way the industry will be cleaned up. And that day is near

  55. Benon 04 Jan 2013 at 7:06 pm

    yes i want the business cleaned up, that means getting the illegal cars, and the scum driving them, off the road. when you talk about earnin gs, thats a revenue matter

  56. Vat manon 04 Jan 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Most of the illegal drivers are been caught & are being prosecuted.

  57. Benon 05 Jan 2013 at 7:34 am

    a mere fraction of illegals are being caught, and then they give false names and address

  58. geron 05 Jan 2013 at 8:00 am

    Agree ben. the filthbags are all over the kip. why do so many of them wear baseball caps? May as well have a big sign on their cars”ILLEGAL DRIVER” fooking idiots they are. you watch another year of bullshit and no changes. and the lawful drivers getting a kick in the nuts. AGAIN. What stupid idea is going to come out of kellys office next? area stickers for your roof sign? Oh wait they tried that, that really worked well. a lot of drivers have stickers for lots of counties. most of them would’nt know their arse from their elbow. but the ALL know where their local dole office is and how to get free house from the council. medical card etc etc.

  59. Benon 05 Jan 2013 at 8:27 am

    are we past the point of rescue Ger, no one seems to care anymore . time to stop all welfare handouts to all foreign scum, let them move on.

  60. geron 05 Jan 2013 at 8:40 am

    They will never go. breed like rabbits. more money and a bigger house. to them, they won the lotto the day they landed here. you only have to look at the cesspits they crawled out of. would you want to go back? Most of the places they come from makes darndale look like beverly hills..

  61. Benon 05 Jan 2013 at 8:51 am

    and Alan Shatter will give them the paper with the harp on it, and thank them for all they have done for their new country. are we muppets or what

  62. geron 05 Jan 2013 at 9:03 am

    14000. got the little red book with the harp on it since april. the convention centre was like the bleedin united nations one day as i went by it in my rickshaw, sorry taxi.

  63. Benon 05 Jan 2013 at 9:34 am

    jaysus thats scarey and all the native Irish people out of work

  64. Johan Verbeekon 09 Jan 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Taxi Arnhem http://www.taxi-arnhem-bluecabs.nl loves this article very much. Its very hard to understand it!

  65. andyon 14 Jan 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Why do yous insist in labelling this taxi driving job “The Industry”. By calling it an “industry”, are yous trying to make you and your type and the things doing it some what respectable?

  66. geron 16 Jan 2013 at 3:56 pm

    And your point is?

  67. Benon 16 Jan 2013 at 5:42 pm

    ya that post is some load of shite Ger

  68. Vat manon 19 Jan 2013 at 9:24 pm

    I reckon he was after drinking to much wine before he typed his comment that happens me sometimes

  69. bohemian boyon 19 Jan 2013 at 9:39 pm

    i see your back with us pratt man

  70. geron 20 Jan 2013 at 2:01 am

    Sometimes vatman? ?

  71. Vat manon 20 Jan 2013 at 10:51 pm

    I’m always around to offer my best advice to those who need it most

  72. zedon 24 Jan 2013 at 7:28 pm

    What does an “authority” ID look like,should I ever come across one ?

  73. Vat manon 24 Jan 2013 at 8:14 pm

    It’s like a small smart card that you hold in your wallet

  74. zedon 24 Jan 2013 at 9:48 pm

    I have a smart card,what I don’t know is what a TRD’s ID looks like, otherwise someones gonna get hurt while trying to rifle my car.

  75. Vat manon 24 Jan 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Really, amazing

  76. zedon 26 Jan 2013 at 6:49 pm

    11- Proper of the areas or locations where the drivers of small public service vehicles may carry on activities of operating small public service vehicles

    Offence 6 : 1 demerit doubled on conviction for a miner breach, 2 demerits for a substantial breach, doubled on conviction
    A person who fails to comply with or contravenes a regulation under this section commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction—
    (a) where the contravention is declared to be a substantial breach, to a class A fine
    (b) in the case of any other contravention, to a class C fine.

    My English is not great,what does the above mean?

  77. zedon 26 Jan 2013 at 6:55 pm

    How can I ever get better at English ? with the TRD’s finest legal brains coming up with this stuff,I doubt if I’ll get much past You show, I go.

    c) A person shall not drive or use a mechanically propelled vehicle in a public place for the carriage of persons for reward unless to so drive or use the vehicle is authorised by a small public service vehicle licence.
    (d) A person shall not ply or stand for hire with a mechanically propelled vehicle which he or she is driving or in charge of in a public place unless to so ply or stand for hire with the vehicle is authorised by a small public service vehicle licence

  78. geron 26 Jan 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Vat man will ans all your questions. For he is the most cunning and clever of us all. a bottle of wine and he is anybodys. vat man is the boy wonder of the taxi world. vat man is the MAN.

  79. Vat manon 26 Jan 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Oh thank you Ger for the compliments. I do my best

  80. Vat manon 26 Jan 2013 at 7:27 pm

    It’s basic enough for most taxi drivers to follow. Zed a minor breach is 1 demerit a more serious breach is 2 demerit doubled on conviction. Do not ply for hire if it is not an official taxi rank & be compliant to the rules and you will be fine. I’m not sure the NTA enforcement officers or the courts would accept I did not know what it meant. Lads get your act together

  81. zedon 26 Jan 2013 at 10:37 pm

    A “miner” breach…..Hmm?….and,

    11- Proper of the areas or locations where the drivers of small public service vehicles may carry on activities of operating small public service vehicles,

    Now that was written by one of my countrymen.

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